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According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. Thats my life.. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. We've received your submission. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Patty is my cousin. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. Beautifully said Cliff! You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Traupman died in 2016. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Nine. Although I would have liked it to be death! Keep up your delusions. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. Flaw in reasoning. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Your email address will not be published. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. She had money put aside. You are absolutely right. You should be ashamed of yourself. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Im dying. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. It was Patricias hair no question. She was wrongfully convicted.. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. This is all BS.She did it. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. We really thought she was dead all those years. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. One on one? They are a joke. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? No charmed life. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Liesbeth Powers/The Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). We didnt expect it. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! How would an intruder find it? . (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Thank you and well said. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Have you read the book? If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Prosecutor pounds away. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. It has very bad energy. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Whatever the truth is. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. "The family has been very patient. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? The evidence was all there. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Its nine minutes into the video. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Both were deceased. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude?