"It was like he thought we were dirt.". MeSH If that family wants to believe something bad enough, they'll create something out of nothing. This whole thing is a money and attention grab, no more, no less. Stories from the trauma bay: Jahi McMath update [16] Her family refused to accept the medical declaration of death by neurological criteria, said that McMath was not dead, and initiated legal proceedings in an effort to require the hospital to continue treatment. It also results in sodium retention which then leads to looking puffy especially in dependent regions of the body. The latest photo and Jahi is so sad,they have just about blurred her whole face out. Ken, I am photographically trained. [55][56] Dolan then withdrew the petition for the October 2014 court hearing[57] and requested that the involved doctors collaborate, stating that "with an open and transparent dialogue between health care professionals, only one conclusion can remain: that Jahi McMath is not brain dead. How can the state of NJ still continue to pay for this child's care if she is brain dead? Funeral attendees grimaced and shook their heads. Jahi' s family was used and is now allowing themselves to be used for financial gain. Unless her NJ Medicaid funding ends and her mother accepts that she's dead, they can stay there for years. Though the memorial service had political undertones, many attendees focused on happy memories of Jahi. How did you do that? In 2013, Jahi McMath, a 13-year-old girl, was diagnosed as dead by neurological criteria (brain death) more than four years ago, following complications from a tonsillectomy. Jahi is most certainly on Medicaid. Her photo stirred deep . The corpses brain can be liquefied and some of the organs will still function. On work Saturday my guys were discussing life support, they started using "pull the plug", my call receiver had a horrified look.. Of course, I would not want to be kept 'alive' like this - but it does tell us that doctors can give up too soon for different factors from organ harvestation to lesser liability. I have evened helped families get another opinion or deal guidance from the ethics committee and yes I have cared for a few that went to court. Also? So I understand the parents of Jahi, however this girl is dead and at first I thought they would eventually let her go after they grieved and gave themselves extra time but it has been 3 years now and going by the mom behavior she's either in serious denial that she needs psychological help or she's profiting. As usual, the simplest explanation is the most likely. Jahi McMath: Lessons Learned - American Academy of Pediatrics The child has died and has been dead since she was pronounced at the California hospital. Four and a half years since she was pronounced dead at age 13 by the Alameda County coroner's office, Oakland teen Jahi McMath will be buried at a cemetery in Hayward, bringing some emotional . The breathing video is just a shot of the ventilator control panel, narrated by Nailahs perceptions of what its readouts mean. Bring in some medical experts again and order them to reevaluate her to see if her brain is giving away and her body is filling up with fluids. There is a man who was declared brain dead and "came back" after being in a coma for 12 years. CheerioSoftship. Not because I think they will show activity but because I don't know what they will show and neither do the defendant experts.The case is not simply about Jahi McMth, nor is it a simple medical issue. we are not liable for what they did. The uncommon case of Jahi McMath - PubMed The doctors had confirmed she could not see or hear!Terri's case was outright killing that is not even comparable to this debatable situation. Honestly not paying and having her heart stop would not be a bad thing. I can't even imagine what her body smells like now. But whether or not they intended it, her lawyers and family have raised a couple of legitimate questions where medicine does not have good answers but does have new technology. Apparently while in quarantine shed offer food to the people who came to visit her! Jahi's family fought very hard to keep the contents of these medical records out of the court documents made public. There is a gofund me page for Jahi https://www.gofundme.com/Jahi-Mcmathso far $64,522 of $20k goal, I mean I understand not wanting to let go - especially at first & when death came knocking so unexpectedly & potentially due to their own doing. This is unhealthy for them. If it was purely a medical question the whole case should have stopped there.But it didn't and so there is a legal question and that essentially becomes -is the diagnosis of brain death still correct. The vast majority of the organs, including the digestive tract, function completely independent of the brain. Life support measures can only sustain life where there's actual living tissue, correct? There have been more than a few cases who were declared brain dead and were alive and recovered. [36] Byrne stated in court documents that he witnessed McMath moving in the hospital and that he considered her to be alive. Ooooooh boy. I agree that advanced testing will probably not settle anything legally or emotionally in the case of Jahi's mother. Wouldn't you want your child to be in peace..not caught in this purgatory:\. Brain dead people Re generally flaccid because the brain sends no signals. [64], Last edited on 28 February 2023, at 22:22, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, "Winkfield v. Childrens Hospital Oakland et al Docket Report", "Winkfield v. 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What most people dont realize is all the things she did to avoid the authorities as her reign of terror continued. This test result establishes to a reasonable degree of medical certainty that J. McMath cannot respond to verbal commands because she has no cerebral mechanism to hear sound. This doesn't even happen. And why does she still look like she's asleep rather than like a corpse? Remember Jahi was right as the repeal vote was happening related to California tough malpractice protections. The shrinking muscles pull bones towards each other, hence the extreme flexion of the wrists, gnarled fingers, extreme trunk flexion (fetal position), knees very bent, etc. I have no idea what treatment she needs, and I don't think speculation will help anything. The bills were in the millions per year. Ripoff Report | Nailah Winkfield C/O Gofundme Review - Internet Nope. Mrs Ken and I already have an agreement that brain dead is dead, though. Rachel Swan is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. The only gofundme page was when this story broke, to raise $$$ for transport to NJ. There is also the burden to the public health system, which is less relevant. The attorney later withdrew this request, saying he wanted time for the court-appointed medical expert and his own medical experts to confer. The next day, another brain surgery to bone wax my brain and I've been leak free since but not without cognitive problems, due to the damage that was done because my brain sat on my skull and damaged it. "anti-brain death quack Dr. Paul Byrne""quack"well that settles it. [40][41][42] The family moved the girl to an undisclosed location where a tracheostomy was performed and a feeding tube was inserted. I don't know. As for picking up popcorn, I have no more evens to can't. It can get quite warm in the summer especially when you are stuck in a 18 mile backup on our beloved NJ Turnpike. [61], McMath's family and Bruce Brusavich, the family's malpractice attorney, have indicated that they are prepared to argue that McMath is not brain dead, so that the California state limit of $250,000 on medical malpractice lawsuits involving children who die does not apply in her case. They have a Facebook page set up to accept donations, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a GoFundMe and other crowdsource panhandling going on here.This family is not hopefully ignorant. She was quiet and smiling all the time, said Vickie Viney, an administrative assistant at the school. !Also if she was white you wouldn't say have the crap you do! If you don't like it, feel free to fuck off.2) There have been exactly -0- cases of brain death that have recovered in the history of mankind. I thought the contractures were from muscle atrophy. I'm being serious here. According to the family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, McMath's death certificate lists her cause of death as a result of hepatic liver failure. . No one anywhere would wish this to happen to anyone. 2) I call Byrne a quack for a very good reason, which I elucidate in other posts. She is brain dead. If she is alive she is now 16. That would amount to treating her as a curiosity and doing tests on her just because her heart should have stopped by now but hasn't. How come Jahis body isn't all bent up from not moving? I found it compelling that the author still believed: "Our lack of knowledge should not, however, deter us from making decisions about the futility or wisdom of various medical interventions. He said the doctors were dismissive, staring at Nailah Winkfield and telling her to accept her daughters death. I am surprised that her blood deprived brain has not developed gangrene. Brain Death and the Controversial Case of Jahi McMath I also lost a child and I don't know that it would have brought me any comfort at all to watch her grow up, unconscious, in a hospital bed. Her case represents an instance of a false-positive diagnosis of brain death, unquestionably made according to both the pediatric and adult guidelines, reinforced by four false-positive EEGs and a false-positive radionuclide blood flow test. "I agree with DocB that the cases aren't comparable to Jahi McMath but I did specifically ask Dr. Franklin about post mortem studies in PVS patients. Jahi McMath, California teen at center of brain-death controversy - CNN I also want to thank the good doctor for keeping us informed. Is that on Facebook? Photos by Noah Berger / Special to The Chronicle. Jahi has yet to undergo a complete brain death exam including an apnea test since being transferred. For all the commentators who decry the family, that's all well and good, have at it. We never know how much brain tissue is damaged until after the heart restarts, so we tend to continue the resuscitation, especially with children. When this first happened, I put a number of respectful comments on their Facebook page eventually they saw that I didn't agree with them and I was blockedBUTtoday I do question those who said she was brain dead as almost every medical professional had spoke of our brain liquedifying soon etcand that there was no way this would go on beyond months.I do now think that if life support was not taken off initially so soon perhaps should would have had a chance.I was just reading about a woman in 20 years of coma (I know Jahi is beyond that) waking up and had been conscious and aware all those 20 years. [14] Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that McMath bled from approximately 7:30p.m. to 12:35a.m.,[14] that a doctor said [expletive], her heart stopped when he arrived hours after the family said they requested a doctor,[60] and that the family was given conflicting information from nurses regarding how to care for McMath's bleeding. The Extraordinary Case of Jahi McMath - PubMed However, I still don't understand one small aspect: if there has been no blood flow to the brain for three years, why isn't necrosis in the brain poisoning her body? It's tragic, but I can see why her parents refuse to accept that Jahi's dead. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's time someone evaluate momma and get her the help she needs. Vent auto-triggering happens often enough in brain dead bodies to be covered in training programs for medical professionals. I watched the video maybe three times, because I thought I missed it the first time. When Jahi McMath was declared brain-dead by the hospital, her family disagreed. I don't subscribe to all of the blogs would have been interesting to see because I know what we see on the FB page is not current nor accurate. There is a marker placed between her thumb and forefinger, with the tip of the marker on a piece of paper that has squiggles of different colors on it. The bioethical consequences of a nonnegligible risk of false-positive declaration of death are profound. I don't understand how that could work and given the chances of a false positive couldn't that give desperate families even more of an incentive to continue futile care?https://www.wired.com/2009/09/fmrisalmon/, Complex question there and I had to read the Wired article. Of course if this is true the nurse will deny it during litigation. In mot other cases my experience has been that families do not want to prolong the situation - in this case the McMath's are again an exception. Jahi McMath was a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead on December 12, 2013, after a hemorrhagic complication following complex oropharyngeal surgery. There are not infinite resources available to care for brain dead people. http://www.docbastard.net/2014/01/jahi-mcmath-faq.htmlIn short, organs do not need a brain to function. [53][54], In October 2014, McMath's attorney, Christopher Dolan, held a press conference where he said that recent medical tests had detected blood flow and electrical activity in McMath's brain and where he released videos which he said showed the girl moving on command. Geebo, I disagree. The docs told us, he was brain dead, however, if we did keep him "alive" he would forever be on machines.. My uncle was a true native, hunting fishing, outdoorsy in every aspect.. I seem to recall all the siblings had different last names. thanks for askingCory. He's, umZaphod Beeblebrox: Yeah?Ford Prefect: He's spending a year dead for tax reasons. So, if you took your hand to the top of her head and shook it back and forth would you hear liquid brain sloshing around? Thank you. I address this question in the FAQ. Two lawsuits over the teens death are ongoing: a federal civil rights case to strike her 2013 death certificate and replace it with a new one issued June 22, and a malpractice case against Childrens Hospital Oakland over the tonsillectomy that her family said was done improperly. Just my opinion. I don't think there is anything that will stop Mrs. Winkfield from trying to get Jahi's death certificate overturned. Dr. Calixto believes she inhabits some new, unnamed category of alternate consciousness but even he didn't suggest she is in a PVS or a minimally conscious state.It's also interesting that both Quinlan and Bland lost significant body mass while Jahi still seems to retain hers. my interpretation of the scenario is that it requires a person who is brain dead, but maintained on somatic support.the common cause of this is a family member who insists the patient is not dead, in which case, they will be resistant to any testing which might defeat their denial.this leaves only a person who is brain dead, whose relative knows they are brain dead, but is interested in seeing what changes happen in their body over time. The hospital protests in which supporters of the family chanted, Dont pull the plug! were long over, and relatives dabbed tears as they recalled Jahis cherubic smile, her love of manicures and her penchant for wearing hoodies and flip-flops during winter. I'm sure Jahi's lips were never necrotic. . On December 24, 2013, Judge Grillo ruled that McMath was legally dead, [34] basing his decision on the medical evidence presented by physicians from Children's Hospital Oakland and from independent expert Paul Fisher, but ruled to require the hospital to continue mechanical ventilation until December 30, 2013, [32] later extending this order The same was true in the Aden Hailu case. Then if the family can win a malpractice lawsuit, they can get millions in compensation. Reems Academy on MacArthur Boulevard. What it is overwhelmingly, however, is WEST. It is a clinical situation with a number of variants in terms of movement (spinal), blood pressure and heart rate control, endocrine function, and somatic survival. Brain tissue cannot survive more than a few minutes without blood, and this was 13 days after her anoxic event and cardiac arrest. Sowhat is it to youor meor anybody else if he mother wants to keep her alive on life support? Jahi's siblings aren't being allowed to move on, instead watching their older sister languishing in a hospital bed hooked to machines that keep her breathing. How does she manage to not look like the crypt keeper after all this time? If she can do that, she can move the body back to California and get Medical benefits there for care. By Rachel Aviv January 29, 2018 For the past four years, Jahi. Money Metals Exchange, LLC Michelle Blackburn, Matt Johnston Quoted one price and charged another. [im]http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a151cc7915e5b1ef2659914fcb7742a2[/im]Unacceptable use of the Photoshop Blur more filter. She's pain free now and watching over her family. Thank you for posting this! National Library of Medicine I don't know if she's a half-sister but it doesn't really matter. 1) What is to me if Nailah wants to keep her on somatic support? She was blind not because there was something wrong with her eyes, but because her brain was not there to process visual input. Her stepfather also has at least one child (featured in a wedding day photo) and I can't imagine she's happy that her father has devoted this much time and attention to her dead stepsister.Or maybe she's good with it but I would be surprised if it were the case. Yes, the dead salmon showed brain activity. I know she is -- no pupillary reflex, no purposeful movement, no auditory pathways. Her case gained international attention as her mother fought a legal battle to keep her on life support. In fact, that was supposed to happen by April 27th but due to the family's motion to bifurcate the trial that deadline has been pushed back indefinitely. Jahi McMath to be buried in Hayward while fight over her death - SFGATE This is not a healthy situation for them to be in by any stretch of the imagination. Since then, the mother has posted several "new" photos of her looking more like she did when all of this began claiming Jahi to be healthier than ever. Why isn't her liquified brain coming out her ears or nose? Cory. government site. Rachel Swan is a breaking news and enterprise reporter. I too would like to hear from the good Doctor about this. Would her heart have been damaged? I too saw that she was bloated (very bloated) and starting to feel as if her body is finally starting to give away. The mother of Jahi McMath, Nailah Winkfield, and Dr. DeTrice Rodgers, Jahi's 5th grade teacher, embrace after they stated that the court order to. What the mom is doing is not only disgusting but it's dishonorable to her daughter who passed. It stemmed from Jahi losing fecal waste through every orifice because of her insides slowly breaking down and liquefying. The site is secure. Thanks for playing. They're not making a dime off the situation. There are three half-siblings, all younger. that being that her appearance has more to do with photo manipulation than medicine. I have pulled some gross things from people's vocal cords during codes, but if you got clots past the cords it would be very difficult to get them out. I think the family needs to have a psych evaluation. That makes sense. All we ever see of Jahi are photos of a contracted, rotting hand here, or a foot there. For someone to bleed out from their oropharynx in an ICU would require many, many errors by many people. I was put on a CSF drain and after a emergency involving the drain malfunctioning and leaking every single bit of my spinal fluid out into my bed. Criteria and Tests for Diagnosing Brain Death Diagnostic tests can be evaluated in several ways. It's hard to argue fraud in that case. After her body finally shut down, Jahi's parents laid her to rest. Also put a ruler to the face of the photos of today and the photos of 2-3 years ago. Not being medically trained, I am asking if this is possible? Frequent Preservation of Neurologic Function in Brain Death and video of Jahi supposedly moving her foot to command, video was posted of Jahi supposedly breathing over the ventilator, 124 (now 144) (now now 157) papers that DO NOT prove vaccines cause autism. I am sorry, but just don't buy that you go from being shrunken and necrotic to full, flawless whilst on a ventilator and somatic support. on her bottom lip. Her mom made another video and this time it shows she is trying to breath on her own can you explain that one. I agree with the other comments!! If they didn't want people commenting on it, they wouldn't have put in in the news in the first place. The Nailah Nailah account? Something doesn't look right and especially after seeing the hairdresser's photo of a year ago. Daffodil bouquets brightened the altar. If she were demented and really believed her daughter were alive, I would think she would show full un-edited photos and videos. There she became statutorily resurrected and was treated as a comatose, living patient for the next four and a half years. Witnesses at the airport who were part of the same tour group reported that he complained of a severe headache right before being taken into custody. Rizvi MB, Conners GP, King KC, Lopez RA, Bohlen J, Rabiner J. Stating that you don't want to be kept alive with feeding tubes is NOT a killing it is a personal decision. The defendants in the lawsuit wanted those examinations to happen by the end of last April but the family is trying to delay that as long as possible. "The issue is what is going on in the central nervous system in a patient who was declared brain dead more than three years ago, yet survives somatically." The Case of Jahi McMath: A Neurologist's View. Jahi, who would have turned 18 this year, lay in a casket painted in her favorite lavender hue. Within hours of the procedure, blood began gushing from her mouth and nose, filling a bucket at her bedside. It is the epitome of futile care. Someone should recommend the family to a therapist if they are not already receiving some form of counseling. . Is Death Real? New Experiments Raise Important Questions On - Yahoo Please post the video link so we can see the miracle of a corpse trying to breathe. Hi Doc. Trolls will be deleted, and off-topic comments will not be approved.Web-hosted images may be included thusly: [im]image url here[/im]. It will be interesting to see if the court, after reviewing this latest expert testimony outlined here, will grant that motion. The patients with contractures are receiving signals albit bad signals but still signals. [31], Fisher examined McMath and affirmed the diagnosis of brain death, reporting that she had no activity on an electroencephalogram, no blood flow to the brain and did not breathe when removed from mechanical ventilation, all of which are standard clinical indications of total brain death. Thank you. Defining Death: Lessons From the Case of Jahi McMath Just make sure I don't fog the mirror when they light the fire. PS Doc, I didn't get the name but using clues here about the person being 4 years old and on the vent for 20 years I was able to find the case study of the person. Over here on the other side of the Rockies we see geography somewhat differently. Commentary: False Positives in the Diagnosis of Brain Death Jahis family after so many denials and such and despite all the proof and the fact their daughter has been lying there for THREE YEARS should be a sign that its not going to get better.